Kalhspera kai apo mena paidia!
Raptor, tha prpeei na symfwnsw me ton Heater kai ton Sakh. Den kserw poy exeis brei tis plhrofories kai oyte bebaia me apasxolei, alla thewrw pio egkyres tis phges twn dyo allwn paidiwn! Den exw tipota proswpiko mazi soy, prepei na soy pw!
Alla, oson afora ta Phantoms Santorini POTE!!!
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@raptor :
Shmantikh dior8wsh sto post sou. To manual pou exei detailed info gia ta hlektronika susthmata tou F-16 den einai to -5 pou aneferes
(T.O. GR1F-16CJ-5-2) to opoio anaferete se Loading Data ALLA TO T.O.GR1F-16CJ-34-1-1 TO OPOIO ANAFERETE SE AVIONICS AND NON-NUCLEAR WEAPONS DELIVERY SYSTEMS. Dhladh se ola ta hlektronika susthmata tou afous apo Radar kai FCC mexri INS. Den kserw apo pio kommati tou -5 peires tis odigeies pou grafeis alla den anafereis to swsto SUPPLUMENTARY FLIGHT MANUAL (Supplumentary tou T.O.GR1F-16-1)
TOGR1F-16CJ-1 : PILOT'S FLIGHT MANUAL (NORMAL OPERATING PROCEDURES - ENGINE/SYSTEMS STARTUP - TAXI - TAKE OFF - ADVERSE WEATHER OPERATIONS - EMERGENCY PROCEDURES)
Ola ta ALLA T.O's einai supplumentary se auto. Apla periexoun sumplhrwmatikes odhgies dhladh. Allwste ef'oso ksereis merika pragmatakia 8a ksereis oti h BIBLOS gia to F-16 einai to -1 enw ta -1-1
/-1-2/ kai to -34-1-1 einai gia sumplhrwmatikh meleth. kai oson afora tou logou to alh8es sou para8etw merika apospasmata pou aforoun to INS tou F-16 apo to -1.
T.O.1F-16CJ-1
After Engine Start
-INS ALIGN
NOTE:
* ENTRY OF ALIGN COORDINATES IS REQUIRED EVEN IF INTERNAL COORDINATES ARE EXACTLY EQUAL TO PARKING SPOT LOCATION
* FAILURE TO ENTER ALIGN COORDINATES FLAGS THE ALIGNMENT AS DEGRADED (NAV RDY LIGHT DOES NOT FLASH)
-INS KNOB SET TO NAV
* WARNING
ATF OR MANUAL TF IDS PROHIBITEDFOLLOING ANY INS ALIGNMENT (INCLUDING NORMAL,STORED HEADING, IN FLIGHT, INTERUPTED, AUTO NAV AND BATH) OTHER THAN A FULL PERFORMANCE INS GROUN ALIGNMENTWITH FLASHING RDY/ALIGN DISPLAYED
- FOR MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT INS TYPES OF ALIGNMENT CAN BE FOUND IN T.O.1F-16CJ-34-1-1.
BEFORE ENGINE SHUTDOWN
-INS CHECK
*STEERPOINT OF CURRENT LOCATION - SELECT
*INS MISCELLANEOUS DATE - RECORD
*
-INS OFF
*NOTE
TURN INS OFF AT LEAST 10 SECONDS PRIOR TO ENGINE SHUTDOWN TO INSURE THAT THE INU HAS ADEQUATE TIME TO COMPLETE ITS SHUTDOWN SEQUENCE
SCRAMBLE
PREFLIGHT AIRCRAFT AS PER NORMAL PROCEDURES TO SET THE AIRCRAFT IN QUICK TIME RESPONCE
QUICK TIME RESPONCE
INS SET TO NAV
*NOTE
-WHEN POSITIONING THE INS KNOB FROM STOR HDG TO NAV DO NOT HESITATE IN NORM OR THE ALIGNMENT WILL BE LOST
INS FAILURES
A TOTAL INS FAILURE IS INDICATED BY THE INS BUS FAIL PFL. THE ADI FREEZES, THE HSI COMPASS CARD AND BEARING POINTER FREEZE, THE HUD PITCH LADDER,HEADING SCALE,ROLL SCALE AND FPM ALSO BLANK.MAGNETIC HEADING IS ONLY DISPLAYED IN THE MAGNETIC COMPASS AND ATTITUDE REFERENCE IS AVAILABLE ONLY ON THE SAI. WHEN THE INSTR KNOB IS IN TCN, THE HSI COURSE DEVIATION INDICATOR, RANGE INDICATOR AND DISTANCE TO/FROM INDICATOR ARE OPERATIVE AND THE CAPABILITY TO FLY AN INBOUND (OR OUTBOUND) RADIA TO (FROM) A TACAN STATION IS AVAILABLE.
FOR INS ALIGNMENT PROCEDURES DURING FLIGHT (IN-FLIGHT AND ATTITUDE MODES) REFERE TO T.O.1F-16CJ-34-1-1 FOR MORE DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS.
Auto to .....xmmmmmm....mikro mono apospasma apo to -1 gia to INS. Ara mallon leei parapanw apo osa nomizeis file raptor
Oson afora ta braduna readiness. Ti sxesh exei h apokalupsh apo to radar pou anafereis, me to gegonos oti bradunes epifulakes ameshs etoimothtas dinintai mono katopin entolhs apo to EKAE auto den to katalabainw. SO: Oi kanonismoi asfaleias pthsewn se kairo eirhnhs apagoreuoun se plhrwmata epifulakhs/kai mh, na apogeiw8oun gia nuxterinh anaxaithsh/pthsh ean :
A) exoun apogeiw8ei parapanw apo treis fores kata thn diarkeia ths hmeras gia anaxaithsh/pthsh,
kai
B) ean den exei prohgh8ei ksekourash, kai diafora metaksu twn hmerhsiwn kai bradunwn pthsewn toulaxiston 4-6 wrwn. Opote katalabaineis twra giati den uparxei epishma o oros "nuxterina readiness"?? Auta dinontao MONO se periptwsh ameshs h epixeirhsiakhs anangkhs kai mono me entolh apo to EKAE se sunergasia me to ATA. Kai sunh8ws nuxterina readiness trwne oi mhtrikes baseis.
Oson afora ta readiness ths 339 (giati ta F-4 ths 338 kanoun QRA sthn 117 mono) auta einai mazi me thn 337 sthn LIMNO! Check apo pou pairneis tis plhrofories sou giati einai la8os!!!!!!!
ouf ouf pouf
@sakgiok
(Sakh gia to nuxterino 15lepto, mhpws anaferese ston xeimwna tou 2002 pou eixe kleisei olh h ellada logo kairou kai to fagame emeis telika to agouri )
Shmantikh dior8wsh sto post sou. To manual pou exei detailed info gia ta hlektronika susthmata tou F-16 den einai to -5 pou aneferes
(T.O. GR1F-16CJ-5-2) to opoio anaferete se Loading Data ALLA TO T.O.GR1F-16CJ-34-1-1 TO OPOIO ANAFERETE SE AVIONICS AND NON-NUCLEAR WEAPONS DELIVERY SYSTEMS. Dhladh se ola ta hlektronika susthmata tou afous apo Radar kai FCC mexri INS. Den kserw apo pio kommati tou -5 peires tis odigeies pou grafeis alla den anafereis to swsto SUPPLUMENTARY FLIGHT MANUAL (Supplumentary tou T.O.GR1F-16-1)
Auto pou grafeis pio panw den exei diafora me auta pou egrapsa egw alla exei TERASTIA diafora me to prwto sou post opou anefers oti "eidikeumenoi texnikoi mpainoun sto afos (se oplismeno kai se QRA APAGOREUETE DIA ROPALOU!!!!!!) kanoun aligh to INS kai ksanakleinoun ta susthmata. Alla egrafes prin alla grafei twraOloi oi texnikoi edafous ths PA, dhl oi ypologoi, exoun yphresia periodika na phgainoyn otan erthei h seira toys sta proothimena aerodromia ths monadas tous gia yposthriksh ton a/fon ths moiras tous. Px ypo kanonikes synthikes oi ypologoi ths 114 PM sthn Tanagra phgainoun sthn Skyro gia yposthriksh ton Mirage 2000 se ''elafres'' blabes (3ou & 4ou klimakiou). Ekei menoun gia 2 ebdomades kai meta enallasontai me neous. Me bash to prosopiko poy exoun ayth th stigmh h 331 kai h 332 o kyklos aytos epanallambanetai apo thn arxh kathe 6 mhnes peripou...
Oi texnikoi ekei, den ''bazoun xeri'' gia na diothosoun sobares blabes kathos h douleia tous einai apla h basikh yposthriksh ton a/fon... Poly perissotero sta a/foi ton readyness poy einai oplismena!.. Ean se kapoio a/fos xalasei kati ekeinh th stigmh tote pithanotata akyronei kai to EKAE frontizei na... xosei allon!..
Xmmmmmmm..........eisai sigouros ?????Gia ta INS tora, ego eimoun analytikotatos prin... h olh diadikasia anagrafetai leptomeros sto -5 (kai oxi -1) tou F-16 (gia to opoio kyrios anaferomai mias kai gnorizo 5 pragmatakia kai giati sthn telikh ayto mas endiaferei edo...)
TOGR1F-16CJ-1 : PILOT'S FLIGHT MANUAL (NORMAL OPERATING PROCEDURES - ENGINE/SYSTEMS STARTUP - TAXI - TAKE OFF - ADVERSE WEATHER OPERATIONS - EMERGENCY PROCEDURES)
Ola ta ALLA T.O's einai supplumentary se auto. Apla periexoun sumplhrwmatikes odhgies dhladh. Allwste ef'oso ksereis merika pragmatakia 8a ksereis oti h BIBLOS gia to F-16 einai to -1 enw ta -1-1
/-1-2/ kai to -34-1-1 einai gia sumplhrwmatikh meleth. kai oson afora tou logou to alh8es sou para8etw merika apospasmata pou aforoun to INS tou F-16 apo to -1.
T.O.1F-16CJ-1
After Engine Start
-INS ALIGN
NOTE:
* ENTRY OF ALIGN COORDINATES IS REQUIRED EVEN IF INTERNAL COORDINATES ARE EXACTLY EQUAL TO PARKING SPOT LOCATION
* FAILURE TO ENTER ALIGN COORDINATES FLAGS THE ALIGNMENT AS DEGRADED (NAV RDY LIGHT DOES NOT FLASH)
-INS KNOB SET TO NAV
* WARNING
ATF OR MANUAL TF IDS PROHIBITEDFOLLOING ANY INS ALIGNMENT (INCLUDING NORMAL,STORED HEADING, IN FLIGHT, INTERUPTED, AUTO NAV AND BATH) OTHER THAN A FULL PERFORMANCE INS GROUN ALIGNMENTWITH FLASHING RDY/ALIGN DISPLAYED
- FOR MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT INS TYPES OF ALIGNMENT CAN BE FOUND IN T.O.1F-16CJ-34-1-1.
BEFORE ENGINE SHUTDOWN
-INS CHECK
*STEERPOINT OF CURRENT LOCATION - SELECT
*INS MISCELLANEOUS DATE - RECORD
*
-INS OFF
*NOTE
TURN INS OFF AT LEAST 10 SECONDS PRIOR TO ENGINE SHUTDOWN TO INSURE THAT THE INU HAS ADEQUATE TIME TO COMPLETE ITS SHUTDOWN SEQUENCE
SCRAMBLE
PREFLIGHT AIRCRAFT AS PER NORMAL PROCEDURES TO SET THE AIRCRAFT IN QUICK TIME RESPONCE
QUICK TIME RESPONCE
INS SET TO NAV
*NOTE
-WHEN POSITIONING THE INS KNOB FROM STOR HDG TO NAV DO NOT HESITATE IN NORM OR THE ALIGNMENT WILL BE LOST
INS FAILURES
A TOTAL INS FAILURE IS INDICATED BY THE INS BUS FAIL PFL. THE ADI FREEZES, THE HSI COMPASS CARD AND BEARING POINTER FREEZE, THE HUD PITCH LADDER,HEADING SCALE,ROLL SCALE AND FPM ALSO BLANK.MAGNETIC HEADING IS ONLY DISPLAYED IN THE MAGNETIC COMPASS AND ATTITUDE REFERENCE IS AVAILABLE ONLY ON THE SAI. WHEN THE INSTR KNOB IS IN TCN, THE HSI COURSE DEVIATION INDICATOR, RANGE INDICATOR AND DISTANCE TO/FROM INDICATOR ARE OPERATIVE AND THE CAPABILITY TO FLY AN INBOUND (OR OUTBOUND) RADIA TO (FROM) A TACAN STATION IS AVAILABLE.
FOR INS ALIGNMENT PROCEDURES DURING FLIGHT (IN-FLIGHT AND ATTITUDE MODES) REFERE TO T.O.1F-16CJ-34-1-1 FOR MORE DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS.
Auto to .....xmmmmmm....mikro mono apospasma apo to -1 gia to INS. Ara mallon leei parapanw apo osa nomizeis file raptor
Oson afora ta braduna readiness. Ti sxesh exei h apokalupsh apo to radar pou anafereis, me to gegonos oti bradunes epifulakes ameshs etoimothtas dinintai mono katopin entolhs apo to EKAE auto den to katalabainw. SO: Oi kanonismoi asfaleias pthsewn se kairo eirhnhs apagoreuoun se plhrwmata epifulakhs/kai mh, na apogeiw8oun gia nuxterinh anaxaithsh/pthsh ean :
A) exoun apogeiw8ei parapanw apo treis fores kata thn diarkeia ths hmeras gia anaxaithsh/pthsh,
kai
B) ean den exei prohgh8ei ksekourash, kai diafora metaksu twn hmerhsiwn kai bradunwn pthsewn toulaxiston 4-6 wrwn. Opote katalabaineis twra giati den uparxei epishma o oros "nuxterina readiness"?? Auta dinontao MONO se periptwsh ameshs h epixeirhsiakhs anangkhs kai mono me entolh apo to EKAE se sunergasia me to ATA. Kai sunh8ws nuxterina readiness trwne oi mhtrikes baseis.
Oson afora ta readiness ths 339 (giati ta F-4 ths 338 kanoun QRA sthn 117 mono) auta einai mazi me thn 337 sthn LIMNO! Check apo pou pairneis tis plhrofories sou giati einai la8os!!!!!!!
ouf ouf pouf
@sakgiok
(Sakh gia to nuxterino 15lepto, mhpws anaferese ston xeimwna tou 2002 pou eixe kleisei olh h ellada logo kairou kai to fagame emeis telika to agouri
)
Hmm, pos mou diefuge i sunexeia edo pera...
Loipon. Ta Rhinos tis 339 kanoun readiness stin Limno mazi me ta Rhinos tis 337. Thats Fact.
Swsta anaferthike oti ta INS SOP anaferontai sto -1. To -5 einai sybliromatiko kai AFAIK den exei info gia to INS.
Gia to an oi mixanikoi kanoun allignment to INS kai meta kanoun shut down tin engine, den ksero. Alla h logiki leei oti me to shut down tis engine, xanontai kai oi INS ruthmiseis.
Loipon. Ta Rhinos tis 339 kanoun readiness stin Limno mazi me ta Rhinos tis 337. Thats Fact.
Swsta anaferthike oti ta INS SOP anaferontai sto -1. To -5 einai sybliromatiko kai AFAIK den exei info gia to INS.
Gia to an oi mixanikoi kanoun allignment to INS kai meta kanoun shut down tin engine, den ksero. Alla h logiki leei oti me to shut down tis engine, xanontai kai oi INS ruthmiseis.
@Mystic_J
O monos tropos gia na mhn xa8oun ta dedomena tou INS einai prin to sbhsimo tou kinhthra na topo8eth8ei o INS knob sthn 8esh STORE HDG kai o diakopths power na topo8eth8ei kateu8eian sthn 8esh OFF anti gia STBY (polu periliptika). Me to tropo auto, se periptwsh scramble ginete alignment se STORE HDG (teleutaies suntetagmenes 8eshs afous) se 3 lepta anti gia 8-12 kai meta thn apogeiwsh mporei na paei se GC (gyro- compass alignment) gia megaluterh akribeia. Ektos autou mporei na gine kai BATH alignment (Best Available True Heading) opou to INS krataei pali tis suntagmenes tou taileutaiou shmeiou tou afouskai upologizei bash autwn ton True North. Proupo8esh einai oti to Afos den 8a metakinh8ei kata thn diarkeia tou alignment.
Kai OXI oi texnikoi apagoreuete na mpoun sto pit oplismenou aeroskafous pou ektelei uphresia QRA. Oloi oi elegxoi ginontai me tous xeirhstes sta pilothria, ta xeria eksw apo to pit (gia na apofeux8ei periptwsh purodothshs oplwn) kai oi texnikoi kanoun ekswterikous elegxous kai turn around.
O monos tropos gia na mhn xa8oun ta dedomena tou INS einai prin to sbhsimo tou kinhthra na topo8eth8ei o INS knob sthn 8esh STORE HDG kai o diakopths power na topo8eth8ei kateu8eian sthn 8esh OFF anti gia STBY (polu periliptika). Me to tropo auto, se periptwsh scramble ginete alignment se STORE HDG (teleutaies suntetagmenes 8eshs afous) se 3 lepta anti gia 8-12 kai meta thn apogeiwsh mporei na paei se GC (gyro- compass alignment) gia megaluterh akribeia. Ektos autou mporei na gine kai BATH alignment (Best Available True Heading) opou to INS krataei pali tis suntagmenes tou taileutaiou shmeiou tou afouskai upologizei bash autwn ton True North. Proupo8esh einai oti to Afos den 8a metakinh8ei kata thn diarkeia tou alignment.
Kai OXI oi texnikoi apagoreuete na mpoun sto pit oplismenou aeroskafous pou ektelei uphresia QRA. Oloi oi elegxoi ginontai me tous xeirhstes sta pilothria, ta xeria eksw apo to pit (gia na apofeux8ei periptwsh purodothshs oplwn) kai oi texnikoi kanoun ekswterikous elegxous kai turn around.
Heater, oson afora to INS, paso me oti les... 
Apo oti einai profanes oi gnoseis sou einai poly perissoteres kai poly pio... enhmeromenes!!!
Gia ta readiness den nomizo oti leme kati diaforetiko pantos (?)!...
Ayto poy egrapsa gia ta radar htan asxeto - symplhromatikh plhroforia! Giayto kai einai mesa se parenthesh!!!!! Giati to mperdepses me ta ''bradina readiness''??? Den exei sxesh to ena me to allo!!!
Gia ta F-4 den eipa oti den pane Limno katholou!.. Eipa oti kapoia pane (h phgainane, KAI Santirini...)! Den ksero TORA th ginetai alla toulaxiston mexri prin x xronia exo thn entyposei oti phgainan. Tespa, tha psakso na bro tis ''apodeikseis'' kai tha sas po pio sygkekrimena...
Paidia, den parekseigo kanenan!!! Deathdealer, Heater, oi apopseis sas einai apolyta orthes kai sebastes kai xairomai poy yparxei ayth h syzhthsh kai o antilogos edo giati oloi mathenoume synexos!!! Sthn telikh oloi eimaste mia ''parea'' poy exoume koina endiaferonta kai moirazomaste gnoseis!.. Antithetos, ego na zeithso sygnomh an kapoios/kapoioi parekshghthikan me ayta poy egrapsa (kai ton tropo pou ta egrapsa) kai nomizoun oti oi apopseis toys kai oi gnoseis tous ''parameristhkan''...
Apo oti einai profanes oi gnoseis sou einai poly perissoteres kai poly pio... enhmeromenes!!! Gia ta readiness den nomizo oti leme kati diaforetiko pantos (?)!...
Ayto poy egrapsa gia ta radar htan asxeto - symplhromatikh plhroforia! Giayto kai einai mesa se parenthesh!!!!! Giati to mperdepses me ta ''bradina readiness''??? Den exei sxesh to ena me to allo!!!
Gia ta F-4 den eipa oti den pane Limno katholou!.. Eipa oti kapoia pane (h phgainane, KAI Santirini...)! Den ksero TORA th ginetai alla toulaxiston mexri prin x xronia exo thn entyposei oti phgainan. Tespa, tha psakso na bro tis ''apodeikseis'' kai tha sas po pio sygkekrimena...
Paidia, den parekseigo kanenan!!! Deathdealer, Heater, oi apopseis sas einai apolyta orthes kai sebastes kai xairomai poy yparxei ayth h syzhthsh kai o antilogos edo giati oloi mathenoume synexos!!! Sthn telikh oloi eimaste mia ''parea'' poy exoume koina endiaferonta kai moirazomaste gnoseis!.. Antithetos, ego na zeithso sygnomh an kapoios/kapoioi parekshghthikan me ayta poy egrapsa (kai ton tropo pou ta egrapsa) kai nomizoun oti oi apopseis toys kai oi gnoseis tous ''parameristhkan''...
raptor swsta eipes, den perakseigoumaste, den tsakwnomaste, den xalame ta neura mas den paramerizoume kanenan!!!. Opws eipes oloi edw ma8ainoune kati parapanw ka8e mera.
Px. gia ta readiness pou anafereis, ontos prin x xronia ta F-4 ekanan QRA sthn santorinh, meta metaphdhsan sthn Skuro, kai meta thn eleush ikanou aris8mou F-16 kai M-2000 metastaumeusan sthn Limno mazi me thn 337. Twra thn Skuro thn exoun ta M-2000 twn 331/332 kai thn santorinh thn exoun ta F-16 (nomizw ths 330 alla den eimai 100% sigouros gia auto). Apla orismena site anaferoun info pou einai pollwn etwn pallia
Xmmm.....gia to radar pou eleges my fault.....den eida tis paren8eseis
Px. gia ta readiness pou anafereis, ontos prin x xronia ta F-4 ekanan QRA sthn santorinh, meta metaphdhsan sthn Skuro, kai meta thn eleush ikanou aris8mou F-16 kai M-2000 metastaumeusan sthn Limno mazi me thn 337. Twra thn Skuro thn exoun ta M-2000 twn 331/332 kai thn santorinh thn exoun ta F-16 (nomizw ths 330 alla den eimai 100% sigouros gia auto). Apla orismena site anaferoun info pou einai pollwn etwn pallia
Xmmm.....gia to radar pou eleges my fault.....den eida tis paren8eseis
Heater, ayta poy yksera (kai egrapsa) gia ta F-4 sthn Santorini basozontan ontos se palies plhrofories, oxi apo kapoio site alla toy Ellhnikoy amyntikou typou (periodika)... Opote symfonoume oti prin apo x xronia peripou ta F-4 ekanan sigoura epishma Metastathmeyseis ekei!!! 8)
Gia metepeita epeidh den thymame theoro tis plhrofories sou sostes...
Gia thn 330 sth Santorinh den to exo ksanakousei!... Gia ta 2litra ekei epishs oxi alla tha matho...
Nako, anti na tsakothoume eisai na mpoume sto site ton geitonon kai na tous kanoume... tourkous???!!! 
Am ti, mono se mas tha th leei o.. Kemal!!! 
Gia metepeita epeidh den thymame theoro tis plhrofories sou sostes...
Gia thn 330 sth Santorinh den to exo ksanakousei!...
Gia ta 2litra ekei epishs oxi alla tha matho... Nako, anti na tsakothoume eisai na mpoume sto site ton geitonon kai na tous kanoume... tourkous???!!! Am ti, mono se mas tha th leei o.. Kemal!!! -
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MIAS kai to post afora alithines diadikasies thelo na matho kati akoma.
Sto falcon4 einai adinaton na pirodotithei oplo oso eisai sto runway. Isxiei to idio kai stin pragmatikotita? Iparxei kapios diakoptis entos tou afous ektos tou master arm pou na diasfalizei tin mi pirodotisi ton oplon oso to afos einai sto edafos ?
efxaristo polu gia to endiaferon na apandate se tetia themata
Sto falcon4 einai adinaton na pirodotithei oplo oso eisai sto runway. Isxiei to idio kai stin pragmatikotita? Iparxei kapios diakoptis entos tou afous ektos tou master arm pou na diasfalizei tin mi pirodotisi ton oplon oso to afos einai sto edafos ?
efxaristo polu gia to endiaferon na apandate se tetia themata
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